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	<title>Comments on: On eliminating one&#8217;s own map for keeps</title>
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		<title>By: Margarita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margarita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I started reading IJ, I had no idea what it was about. I didn't know if it was dark, or funny, or ruminative, or philosophical, or surrealist, or abusurdist, or whateverthehell. However, I had a whole lot of free time on my hands, it was a big book, and Ezra Klein was reading it. That's all I needed to know.

Now, IJ didn't really grab me until it introduced Kate Gompert - a girl in late adolescence, addicted to pot, who has tried to off herself. We meet her when she is on suicide watch in a psychiatric care facility. Kate is seriously bummed out. Trying to describe how she feels and why she tried to end things, Kate says, "I don't want to play anymore."

And that's how I imaging DFW felt at the end of his life. He tried so, so hard. He knew that he owed it to the people who loved him to make the best effort he possibly could. He tried, he really did. But he was exhausted. I imagine that he didn't want to kill himself; he didn't want something violent. He wanted to disappear, or go to sleep and not wake up. Anything to minimize confusion and sadness for his loved ones. But those weren't options. Ok, that's all I've got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started reading IJ, I had no idea what it was about. I didn&#8217;t know if it was dark, or funny, or ruminative, or philosophical, or surrealist, or abusurdist, or whateverthehell. However, I had a whole lot of free time on my hands, it was a big book, and Ezra Klein was reading it. That&#8217;s all I needed to know.</p>
<p>Now, IJ didn&#8217;t really grab me until it introduced Kate Gompert - a girl in late adolescence, addicted to pot, who has tried to off herself. We meet her when she is on suicide watch in a psychiatric care facility. Kate is seriously bummed out. Trying to describe how she feels and why she tried to end things, Kate says, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to play anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s how I imaging DFW felt at the end of his life. He tried so, so hard. He knew that he owed it to the people who loved him to make the best effort he possibly could. He tried, he really did. But he was exhausted. I imagine that he didn&#8217;t want to kill himself; he didn&#8217;t want something violent. He wanted to disappear, or go to sleep and not wake up. Anything to minimize confusion and sadness for his loved ones. But those weren&#8217;t options. Ok, that&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on what I've read about his life, I don't think Wallace lacked for positive support in his life, from either his wife or family or friends. Add that to the fact that he had a cushy job in the academy and a permanent seat in the literary pantheon, and you realize why so many people, some close to him and some merely fans and admirers, were so frustrated and saddened by his death. It may simply be that there's nothing that could have been done. Depression is a really terrible affliction, made all the more terrible that we still don't completely understand it. 

Also, because my folks read this, let me make clear that there's going to be no de-mapping on my part, nor am I going to get addicted to opiates, take up tennis, or join a Quebecois separatist cell. But I will be writing about these things!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on what I&#8217;ve read about his life, I don&#8217;t think Wallace lacked for positive support in his life, from either his wife or family or friends. Add that to the fact that he had a cushy job in the academy and a permanent seat in the literary pantheon, and you realize why so many people, some close to him and some merely fans and admirers, were so frustrated and saddened by his death. It may simply be that there&#8217;s nothing that could have been done. Depression is a really terrible affliction, made all the more terrible that we still don&#8217;t completely understand it. </p>
<p>Also, because my folks read this, let me make clear that there&#8217;s going to be no de-mapping on my part, nor am I going to get addicted to opiates, take up tennis, or join a Quebecois separatist cell. But I will be writing about these things!</p>
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		<title>By: MIles</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since there are no other comments on this post I wanted to write one solely on the fact that there isn't.

My comment isn't about the content, the story or Moe's or your feelings surrounding the suicide, but more about the fact that you decided to write this. Which I believe is important. (And, to be honest, I'm not sure I could say anything more than what you've already said).

Like your last line dictates, "I kinda sorta said the same thing. Without the like, research. Oh well." I'm glad you wrote it despite knowing that somebody already wrote something similar. Knowing how this affects you is important for friends, family, and colleagues that read your blog to have a better understanding on what kind of person you are. 

Now, I'm not sure on why Wallace hung himself, but, I can assume he was at wit's end and literally had no other answer in how to fix something other than to end it entirely. Call me a fool, idiot, unintelligible, (insert lewd hurtful remark against my intelligence here), but, I feel that if maybe the people that were in his life (or the people he *let* into his life) spent more care trying to understand him that it would give him a stronger feeling of self worth and he wouldn't have killed himself at all.

Maybe I'm focusing on all the wrong set of details. Since your post was mainly about Moe's words and not at all do with why he committed suicide, but, I think it is a worthy question because like I said, you are taking the time to explain and write out your particular feelings on a subject for a mass amount of people to read that could now have a clearer understanding on why you think the way you do, feel the way do, etc etc. Which is what Wallace did by writing, however, not enough people around him either cared to understand him and/or he didn't let enough people understand. In which case, to trace back and see the signs of someone thinking about killing themselves might be clearer and easier to spot than we think. If we take care into what people around us are saying and thinking then maybe we can see the signs before they decide to end their map for keeps.

The question of whether or not Wallace would continue making great work is unsure and totally up for a long unending debate, but I feel like you touched on a subject that wasn't your initial intention but should remain as food for thought.

So that is why I left the comment, because, it explained how you felt. You actually wrote something out to the world and no one has yet commented on it, and haha not to think I think you're in danger or killing yourself in the slightest, but more so you now knowing that you have proof that people care about what you think purely and solely by writing a comment on the means to which you decide to display your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there are no other comments on this post I wanted to write one solely on the fact that there isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>My comment isn&#8217;t about the content, the story or Moe&#8217;s or your feelings surrounding the suicide, but more about the fact that you decided to write this. Which I believe is important. (And, to be honest, I&#8217;m not sure I could say anything more than what you&#8217;ve already said).</p>
<p>Like your last line dictates, &#8220;I kinda sorta said the same thing. Without the like, research. Oh well.&#8221; I&#8217;m glad you wrote it despite knowing that somebody already wrote something similar. Knowing how this affects you is important for friends, family, and colleagues that read your blog to have a better understanding on what kind of person you are. </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not sure on why Wallace hung himself, but, I can assume he was at wit&#8217;s end and literally had no other answer in how to fix something other than to end it entirely. Call me a fool, idiot, unintelligible, (insert lewd hurtful remark against my intelligence here), but, I feel that if maybe the people that were in his life (or the people he *let* into his life) spent more care trying to understand him that it would give him a stronger feeling of self worth and he wouldn&#8217;t have killed himself at all.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m focusing on all the wrong set of details. Since your post was mainly about Moe&#8217;s words and not at all do with why he committed suicide, but, I think it is a worthy question because like I said, you are taking the time to explain and write out your particular feelings on a subject for a mass amount of people to read that could now have a clearer understanding on why you think the way you do, feel the way do, etc etc. Which is what Wallace did by writing, however, not enough people around him either cared to understand him and/or he didn&#8217;t let enough people understand. In which case, to trace back and see the signs of someone thinking about killing themselves might be clearer and easier to spot than we think. If we take care into what people around us are saying and thinking then maybe we can see the signs before they decide to end their map for keeps.</p>
<p>The question of whether or not Wallace would continue making great work is unsure and totally up for a long unending debate, but I feel like you touched on a subject that wasn&#8217;t your initial intention but should remain as food for thought.</p>
<p>So that is why I left the comment, because, it explained how you felt. You actually wrote something out to the world and no one has yet commented on it, and haha not to think I think you&#8217;re in danger or killing yourself in the slightest, but more so you now knowing that you have proof that people care about what you think purely and solely by writing a comment on the means to which you decide to display your thoughts.</p>
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